tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12809255.post111652924500180175..comments2023-07-17T13:06:09.934+03:00Comments on Conflicts in the Middle East: Comparison of the Palestinian-Israeli Conflict with Apartheid South AfricaShimonzkhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01409648440578570805noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12809255.post-12459592374177299042011-09-30T23:02:32.454+03:002011-09-30T23:02:32.454+03:00The Truth vs MisconceptionsPosted: September 30, 2...The Truth vs MisconceptionsPosted: September 30, 2011 by gelbersternost in Uncategorized <br />1Israel is not an invader, but returned to its ancestral homeland, they are not the BOERS of South Africa !<br /><br />Palestinians are not the masters of the Holy Land either, the PLO and Hamas is not the ANC !<br /><br />Occupation is terrible and must come to an end, it is not Apartheid rule as known in South Africa !<br /><br />Mahmud Abbas is not Nelson Mandela and Bebe Nethanyahu is not De Klerk !<br /><br />Hannia is outspoken and true to his convictions ! Fatah learned to become more softspoken but is not the less dangerous – Both mean the destruction of Israel and the establishment of a Palestinian State in the Holy Land, at best in a two stage solution with a dwindling Jewish entity under Palestinian Rule !GS Holy Land Observerhttp://holylandcenter.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12809255.post-30219178392621270372007-08-05T01:18:00.000+03:002007-08-05T01:18:00.000+03:00I want to add a letter from someone else that I th...I want to add a letter from someone else that I thought was relevant to the discussion:<BR/>________<BR/><BR/>“Evangelical” Buffoons<BR/>By: Michael D. Evans<BR/><BR/>The New York Times published a letter on July 29 under the title of “Letter to President Bush from Evangelical Leaders.” Thirty-four so-called evangelical leaders thanked President Bush, but for what, and on behalf of whom? Is he being thanked on behalf of another group of evangelical leaders that met with an Arab contingent on Monday, July 2? Is he being thanked for reversing the statements made on June 21, 2002: “The United States will not support the establishment of a Palestinian state until its leaders engage in a sustained fight against terrorists and dismantle their infrastructure”? Less than a year later, the State Department reversed course, eliminating the cessation of terror as a pre-condition for engagement. Palestinian terrorism grew. <BR/><BR/>Is President Bush being thanked for a presidential promise in July that would send ½-billion dollars in aid to President Mahmoud Abbas’ Fatah terrorist movement? Fatah is the organization that, one year ago, threatened to strike at the economic and business interests of the United States, both here and abroad. <BR/><BR/>The letter is absurd in several respects: First, evangelicals believe the Bible. The majority of the men who signed the letter to President Bush are “replacement theology” adherents and should not even be labeled “evangelical.” In fact, evangelicals would never call a Presbyterian an evangelical. Most are members of the World Council of Churches, a decidedly “un-evangelical” organization.<BR/><BR/>The great news is that not one person who signed the letter would be known by most evangelicals. If a poll were taken of 1000 evangelicals, not one of that number would be able to recognize the names of the signers. The President of the Southern Baptist Convention, the General Superintendent of the Assemblies of God, the head of the National Association of Evangelicals, and the head of the National Religious Broadcasters did not sign the letter.<BR/><BR/>The letter also says that the best way to bless Israel is to support a two-state solution. This is a myth that calls for the support of a Palestinian culture, language, and history. The letter calls for a Palestinian state with East Jerusalem, the home of Christianity, to be placed under the authority of terrorists. The debacle of Bethlehem and Jericho should be enough to convince these men that this would be a horrendous mistake. Bethlehem, the birthplace of Christ, and Jericho are now terrorist towns. It is no longer safe for Christians to visit the birthplace of their faith because of the emphasis on suicide martyrs and terrorist activities. <BR/><BR/>Israelis have never had a problem with the existence of the Palestinians. Rather, they have strived, year after year, to reach some agreement that would allow them to live at peace with their neighbors. One land-for-peace deal after another has been signed by Israel only to be spattered with the blood of the victims of suicide bombers roused by calls for intifada and jihad. Yes, the Israelis have protected themselves as much as possible from the onslaught of terrorists hell-bent, not on a two-state solution, but on driving the Jews into the Mediterranean or annihilating them completely. <BR/><BR/>It should be that one extends a hand to a rabid dog only once; the Jewish people have reached out again and again, and have been murdered for their attempts to reach some agreement with the Palestinians. <BR/><BR/>It is heartbreaking that these men, professors, presidents of organizations, ministers, and etc., are willing to offer Israel up as a sacrificial lamb, yet again. Compromise is deadly. The Church in Europe compromised during World War II. Many turned a blind eye as Jews by the millions were dragged away to the concentration camps and deadly ovens that awaited them. The Jewish people know that compromise cost them dearly; we dare not ask them to compromise what little security they now enjoy. <BR/><BR/>The writers of the letter speak of “historical honesty.” If these learned men are going to be truly historically honest, surely they must admit that the Jews have every right to inhabit the land of their fathers, the covenant land given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob by none other than God. How dare it be said by anyone that God’s chosen people have no right to their inheritance. <BR/><BR/>Now, we have only to wait and see if the conference planned for the fall will parallel the Madrid Peace Conference of 1991. Will the Palestinians again be handed peace on a plate only to reject it by issuing yet another intifada, ala Arafat? A reconstituted Middle East roadmap would strip Israel of its right to defend itself, would give control of East Jerusalem to a terrorist organization, and would certainly move the terrorists bent on the destruction of Israel nearer their target. <BR/><BR/>The Old Testament prophet Zechariah wrote: “‘If someone asks him, ‘What are these wounds on your body?’ he will answer, ‘The wounds I was given at the house of my friends.’” If the signers of this letter to President Bush are friends of Israel, she has no need for enemies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12809255.post-53238928808043919162007-08-05T01:08:00.000+03:002007-08-05T01:08:00.000+03:00To me it just defies logic how anyone can talk abo...To me it just defies logic how anyone can talk about the right of return being a reasonable possibility in the context of any peace agreement. Much less the Jerusalem issue, but that's another matter. If that is a sticking point, then I, a non-Jew, wish to go live in Judea and Samaria when this new "state" comes into existence. I claim right of return as these lands are important to my faith, and Israel has thus far not enabled me to become a citizen. Since we are founding this potential state on the premise of justice and democracy, shouldn't anyone be able to live there if they want? In fact, if it's supposed to be okay for Israel to allow all these "Palestinian" milliions to come flocking back into pre-1967 Israel, then doesn't justice dictate that Jewish people should be able to freely live in the West Bank as well? That is, as long as Israel is no longer forced to act as a controlling military presence in those areas with its checkpoints, barriers, posts, etc. Is that possible? Will anyone be able to live safely in "Palestine" who is not Muslim? <BR/>I guess these are the discussion points for this upcoming meeting in the fall... hmmm.... I hope the watchmen are watching. Are we ready to stand with the people of the mountains and to stand for the place where God has left His Name?<BR/>Woe to those who stand for the division of His Holy City and the carving of the Land. Who will go up with Him in that day?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12809255.post-63342946983903042692007-04-06T01:57:00.000+03:002007-04-06T01:57:00.000+03:00Interesting article. I didn't know much about both...Interesting article. I didn't know much about both situations / countries. Now I know a little more, and that by itself, makes this work highly valuable. Congratulations<BR/><BR/>Trendirama.comJavier Martihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04360354942213559981noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12809255.post-1153746298289407412006-07-24T16:04:00.000+03:002006-07-24T16:04:00.000+03:00I appreciate your comments as usual, but beyond th...I appreciate your comments as usual, but beyond the usual disagreements we've already acknowledged that we have with each other's positions I think you're trying here to make some rather fine distinctions between liberation movement and "extremists" in South Africa, while lumping all those opposing Zionism into one category "the extremists". It is well known that the ANC did in some cases authorise attacks on so-called "soft targets", yet I think neither you nor I would call the ANC a terrorist organisation (although of course many US and British conseratives, and of course the apartheid government, did). Moreover, there was certainly a part of the liberation movement - the Pan-Africanist Congress and the Azanian People's Liberation Army - that took a decidedly "anti-white" stance but were eventually "reined in" or at least brought on board as a political solution was made a possibility by the apartheid government.<BR/>The problem with the Israeli approach seems to be that it's current use of wanton violence without seemingly any discrimination (and it's not the first time) can only strengthen the extremist elements. End of occupation, a viable Palestinian state with a shared Jerusalem and return of refugees must surely be the precondition for Israel if it wishes to remain a state that does not have to become completely militarised (and thus subvert any pretense to democracy or pluralism) to survive in what will surely be an increasingly hostile environment.<BR/>The argument "they're all lunatics in the other camp" is not a very convincing one, I think, to many outside Israel or (parts of) the US, and it is surely not one on which any form of solution can be built.<BR/>Peace.meditations71https://www.blogger.com/profile/13444679899901052884noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12809255.post-1151351828147498792006-06-26T22:57:00.000+03:002006-06-26T22:57:00.000+03:00When the international community recognized that t...When the international community recognized that the Apartheid in S. Africa could no longer be tolerated, they acted to ensure that it came to an end. The same must be done in response to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. America must take the lead, but the entire international community must join them in the movement for peace in the Middle East. Thousands of Americans from all 50 states as well as over 225 American political, religious, and business leaders have come together through the Campaign for American Leadership in the Middle East (CALME) to say that a two-state solution is the right answer, and that the Administration should make resolving the conflict a central and sustained objective of American foreign policy. The central focus of CALME is an open letter to President Bush that is signed through an internet petition. I hope that you will join me in signing the CALME petition by going to www.mideastcalm.org, and that you will ask your friends and family to do so as well. Your voice will help us send a strong message about Americans’ interest in peace in the Middle East.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12809255.post-1116869924542077062005-05-23T20:38:00.000+03:002005-05-23T20:38:00.000+03:00How well do I remember those apartheid years in So...How well do I remember those apartheid years in South Africa where I was born and educated. Under the fascist white apartheid regime, the blacks had suffered terrible humiliation. The big miracle of it all – that brought the changes towards a better multiracial South Africa was the desire of the majority of South Africans to see the demise of the evil apartheid regime and equal rights for all.<BR/><BR/>The black people had a responsible leadership who went underground. Nelson Mandela NEVER hated the whites despite everything that he had experienced under apartheid. I remember his arrest and imprisonment on Robben Island for sabotage activity and treason. (I would recommend reading his autobiography – No Easy Walk to Freedom) The targets for sabotage were always free of humans. Sabotage was directed at government buildings and property. In fact, some close friends of ours were involved in the underground against apartheid and our home was a refuge for them in many ways. The Special Branch had searched our home for banned political (or communist) literature and my mother was questioned. <BR/><BR/>It is ridiculous how cynical use is made of the apartheid regime for comparison with the suffering of the Palestinians. As one who had experienced this disgusting era of apartheid in South Africa, nothing could be further from the truth.<BR/><BR/>I do not remember any rhetoric coming from any black pulpit filled with such hate as one reads in the Friday sermons of various imams. There is no conciliatory message in the anti-Semitic garbage of lies in their sermons.<BR/><BR/>It is an unfortunate fact that we are subjected to the most irreconcilable hate on the part of many Moslem leaders in the territories. We wish to make peace with them and they do not seem to have the same desire. They still want to see the destruction of Israel and they wish to see every Jew destroyed. They remind us of that continuously from sermons in the mosques of Gaza. It is not just the refugee problem or the occupation. Israel's existence as a state is unacceptable to many Palestinian leaders. Let us not pull the wool over our eyes because of peace ideologies that we still wish to believe in. The intifada with its violence of suicide bombings and terror proves this point.<BR/><BR/>Even now, with the start of disengagement, there is no parallel desire on the part of Abu Mazen (apart from sterile lip service) to a cessation of Palestinian violence by disarming terrorist groups. Let us be honest with ourselves. There is no serious parallel desire on the Palestinian side to reach an agreement of terror cessation. The strength of that agreement lies on a polite request from Abu Mazen towards the Palestinian terrorist factions to behave and not fire rockets and mortars into Israel. This tactic is doomed to fail.Shimonzkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01409648440578570805noreply@blogger.com